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Tushar D

Nice writeup, GK.
I hope they do enough progress in heart desease prevention for me to live to see all this.
;)

usnjay

I think it's too optimistic.

usnjay

You're full of it usnjay, it's too pessimistic.

Andrew Curry

There's some more material on this which you may not be familiar with in the UK Foresight project on Intelligent Infrastructure Systems. The academic papers are summarised readably at:
http://www.foresight.gov.uk/Previous_Projects/Intelligent_Infrastructure_Systems/Reports_and_Publications/Intelligent_Infrastructure_Futures/Index.html

John Bull

GK, why do you think that we are essentially using the same technology to power cars today, as that used when internal combustion engine-powered cars were first mass produced a hundred years ago?

I've often compared cars to airplanes & wondered that although we've seen 'planes develop from propellor-powered gliders to supersonic jets, in the same timeframe, cars' engines seem barely to have changed by comparison, despite the emergence of myriad new technologies.

What's your take?

John

Wait a minute. What about the flying cars we were promised?!? ;-)

GK

John Bull,

A new technology to displace an old one does not have to just be better, but better by enough of a margin to justify uprooting the instrastructure supporting the old one.

Cars have, however, improved a lot in efficiency per hp over the last 35 years. Today, a 240 hp engine gets 21/27 mpg, while in 1970, a car with that efficiency got just 80 hp.

Protagonist

Got to agree with John on this one. This post begs the question that we won't have developed some personal flight appliance, or for that matter, that slower-than-light transportation will be necessary are not made obsolete by exponentially improving telecommunications.

M. Simon

Here is a possible electrical source that will not generate plutonium or CO2:

Easy Low Cost No Radiation Fusion
Bussard Fusion Reactor

jacob

The whole prediction hinges on one item: cost efficient battery technology. It does not yet exist. A lot of people are working on it, but it just does not yet exist, and any prediction on a date of implementation is idle speculation.

GK

jacob,

Not true. There are continual advances of about 7% a year in Lithium-ion battery efficiency.

Mastodon

I would rate it optmistic, but I *am* a pessimist :^). My reason for so believing is not purely temperament, however, viz:

One factor to consider is the effect significant numbers of electric vehicles and materials advances would have on the price of gasoline.

Certainly price pressure on *gasoline* as an end product would be lower than they would be without all the electric cars. If nanomaterial production is not petroleum based (sorry to be so ignorant here) then the replacement of plastics would also reduce demand for petroleum.

Given these points, it seems at least *plausible* that significant declines in the price of gasoline would slow adoption of electric vehicles purely from a cost perspective.

Juno888

A new technology to displace an old one does not have to just be better, but better by enough of a margin to justify uprooting the instrastructure supporting the old one.

sabik

With self-driving cars, there's another category that may be more important: self-driving trucks.

With passenger cars, self-driving gives some advantages, but there's in any case a person inside who might as well drive. The economic justification is second-order at best (and therefore easy to ignore or overlook).

With trucks, there's a clear cost saving. The speed of adoption may well be much faster...

BBH

From $3 a gallon in 2007 to $5 by 2009, to $10 by 2012. After that, it all depends on where we are at with alternative energy, and how much of a recession or even a depression the economy is in.

Even if we completely convert to non-gas, non-diesel cars and trucks, (unlikely), we will still have a high demand for available oil for making plastics.

I know, most people won't agree with the oil predictions, but that's the way it is folks. When oil went to $40 a barrel, I said it would go to $60, and everyone I met said no, it will go back to $20. When it went to $60, I said it would go to $80 and everyone I met said no, it will go back to $40. And so on, now it's at $90, and I keep hearing people say it's going back to $70. It's just wishful thinking people, wake up to reality, oil will cost a lot more in the future.

M. Simon

The main thing holding back electric cars/hybrids is the high cost of power semiconductors.

That will change around 2012 when 450 mm wafer fabs cone on line and the cost per unit area of power semis drops by 1/2.

Marijke

Good for people to know.

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